I get the impression you have a healthy dislike of normal roads lol, good for you mate. I’m very jealous, I’m based in Ireland these days and very much missing the trails I had every day when living in Spain. Not much trail riding in Ireland unfortunately..

I’d agree with you about the tubeless rims, if heading into the wild where surfaced roads are few and far between carrying a spare set of tubes is a no brainer as the likely damage to a tyre would be far more severe than the usual nail I’d normally get on surfaced roads. The main reasons I decided on the tubeless rims was firstly a safety issue on surfaced roads as they reduce the risk (small though it might be) of a high speed blowout which my insurance company recognised with a slightly lower premium. The 2nd reason was I figured I’d get a few more kilometers out of a set of tyres as tubeless rubber do not get as hot at tubed tyres. To be honest though I think that might be argumentative as for me this difference seems to be marginal. Either way, if you are riding 90% of the time on hot roads and often at motorway speeds I’d prefer to do so on tubeless rims, whether anyone would get a return for their investment is a different conversation and very much down to the individual rider. However, it’s good to know you have a choice.

How the hell did you manage to fix a split tyre with a piece of tin and a sock?? That’s brilliant, if you’d like to write a “how-to” with a few photos I’d be more than happy to publish it on this site, I’m sure I’m not be the only one who’d like to know how you did it

As for the Anakee’s, sorry mate – no refunds. Being “Independent” means I get to say anything I like, but it also means I don’t get paid for endorsing products so I’m usually broke, any money I have goes straight into my motorbike addiction..

I still like the Anakee’s and still think they suit the F800GS 21″ front wheel setup very well as a road tyre with an occasional side track onto easy trails. As a 90/10 road biased tyre I certainly prefer them the the other dual sport tyres i’ve used. However my article on the Anakee’s is getting a bit long in the tooth and new rubber has come to market. I’ve been hearing a whole lot of good feedback from others who’re now using the continental tkc 70, although most of them are on the 1200GS. I’ve not tried them but there’s more than a fair chance I’ll fit them to one of my F800′s when it’s time for a new set. But as the 70′s get very good reviews both on & off road and are a 70/30 tyre I’d wonder if they might suit you better? By the sounds of it you might have to spend more time on civilised roads, but you’ll still likely take every opportunity to get the bike dirty in which case you might find the Anakee 3′s limiting.

Denis

My 2014 F800GSA is about to become my only bike. Like you I’m extremely pleased with the bike having traded a 1200GS for the new F. With a supplementary 8 litre fuel tank fitted and a 10 litre bladder I can cover over 800 kms and run out of water before I run out of fuel.

I have always run Metzler Karoo 3 as I only use bitumen as a tool to get to the dirt (read red gravel roads and trails). I’m very happy with the Karoos both on and off road but bitumen eats up the rubber quickly. I’ve clocked nearly 30,000 kms on the bike mostly in the dirt here in Western Australia with most trips being in the order of 2,000 kms or more.

I’ve used the BMW Cool Down vest in temps of up to 48 degrees showing on the dash. It works best if you wear it next to your skin with a tee-shirt over to slow down the evaporation. I also use a similar gel filled product made here in W.A. (AUD$10 for three) that fits around the neck, I believe it was a British Army invention.

We have to cope with a lot of deep, soft sand here and the addition of a steering damper has transformed the bike in bulldust.

I read your review on tubeless rims, personally I wouldn’t travel without spare inner tubes no matter if I was riding tubed or tubeless tyres. I patched a split tyre with a new tube, a piece of tin wrapped in a sock that got me back to civilisation.

So, given I’m going to be using the bike for my commute I need road biased tyres. I’m going to try the Anakee 3 and if they don’t work as you intimate I’ll be looking for a refund from you.

ATB Chris

Denis

I had the tyres installed with Ride On sealant/balancing fluid. I had it installed in my last set of tyres, the Bridgestone Battlewings and I was thrilled with the performance—19,000 KM, 6000 of which were highspeed trips through the US Southwest desert at temperatures exceeding 43ºC. As I was planning more trips there, I had the fluid installed (apparently it helps tyres last longer by pulling heat away from the tread) in my new tyres.

I liked the Anakee III’s but I did find them very noisy (they howled!), and I checked with the dealer who claimed he had never had that complaint before. I also found that they took a while to break in. But, once they did, they were stellar in the dry and the wet. I’m not the greatest fan of them in the gravel but that is a small part of my riding and may have a bit to do with the weight on my bike when I am travelling. Now that they have ~10,000KM and I see that the tread is still in good shape, the noise has definitely lessened and they seem to grip well in the wet, I’m pleased with my purchase.

I totally agree, I will look for a dirt capable bike lighter and will haul it to where I will ride. I looked at the Sertao,however heavy and a lot of mechanics here won’t work on a Chinese engine in case I can’t service it. HP2 weighs less however twice the price. Likely it won’t be a Beemer. The pilot Road 4 is looking better. The difference between the road and the trail is the softness of the compound. As one of the people on the ADV forum said why pay for a tire that will wear quicker than the tire originally designed to give 20% more life. An oxymoron if I have ever heard one. We had a rider go down on one of the rides and my first question was what kind of tires was he using; answer: a 50/50. no surprise there. in any event I will report on my new tire experience. I am still leaning toward the Anakee however, I will keep an open mind in any case cost could dictate the choice.

As for the low frequency rumble you’re getting this may be the tyres. I’ve heard a few accounts of the Anakee 3’s causing this, although those accounts mostly come from 1200GSA owners. But I still think this is part of the compromise you take when choosing a dual purpose tyre.

Have you tried the Wunderlich Ergo screen extension? I’ve been using this for years and love it. I’d never take a long ride without it as it cuts wind/road noise massively and therefore fatigue. At least for me it’s easily worth the money.

I have to admit I’m very happy to hear you intend to bring up the topic of insurance and tyres in your safety lecture. So many forget to take it into consideration when choosing dual purpose, or even race/slick tyres and leave themselves potentially uninsured in the event of an accident. For the most part this would never even enter the thoughts of younger or new riders to please pass on this information at every opportunity.

While reading your reply last night I was reminded of a conversation I had with a mechanic 10 years ago. I was talking to a wizened old mechanic about fitting a new set of tyres I was considering for the bike I had at the time. The conversation went like this,

Mechanic: (With a sly smile) – Would you consider your tyres are an integral part of a motorcycle that can both positively and negatively affect not just your ride but your safety?

Me: Of course, that’s a no-brainer.

Mechanic: OK, so with that in mind would you consider putting an engine oil into your bike that’s not recommended?

Me: No way, I could seriously damage the engine, it could overheat or seize – anything could happen!

Mechanic: OK, would you consider putting a non recommended brake fluid into your break system?

Me: Not a chance, that would be insane for any number of reasons!

Mechanic: What about brake pads, would you use pads not recommended by the manufacturer for your bike model?

Me: No, never as I assume the manufacturer recommends certain break pads for a good reason and I’m not about to experiment with different pads as it could likely result in a severely shortened life expectancy. Insurance never entered into my considerations, but I was now starting to have an uneasy feeling as to where the mechanic was going with this topic.

Mechanic: Right, so you’d adhere to the bike manufacturers recommendations when it comes to brakes, engine oil etc. so why the hell are you asking me to fit a set of tyres that are not recommended either?? Do you fancy yourself as an unpaid product tester in a highly dangerous environment? Fit them yourself if you like, but don’t ask me to take responsibility if the tyres explode or you slide off the road.

At the time I left the bike shop seriously pissed off at the mechanic for making me look like an idiot. It was only after I calmed down and thought it through that I saw the mechanic had a very valid point. He was also probably only looking out for my safety as he was a friend of my father. He was a good 20 years older than I and was an ex-racer with a world of experience that I could not help but respect.

Some may not agree with him, but I went back 2 days later and thanked him for the slightly harsh education and got him to fit the recommended tyres. The fact that he also risked loosing a sale and a long running customer by giving me a kick in the arse was not lost on me either.

Years later I actually did end up working as a product test engineer and I have a very deep understanding as to why only a certain number of tyres are recommended for any particular motorcycle.

As for the PR3’s vs. the Anakee 3. Simply put the Pilot Road 3’s are most definitely a better tyre “on the road”! They are a 100% road biased tyre with 0% off road ability. So roughly speaking, on the road the PR3’s are 20% more effective than the Anakee 3’s in certain road conditions and most certainly in wet conditions. The PR3’s are better cornering, have more grip and they are much quieter.

I have never experienced, nor heard of anyone experiencing low frequency noise. They are perfectly suited to the 1200GS/A and I think they now come as standard with many touring and sport touring bikes like the 1200RT. There is also the Pilot Road 3 Trail tyre to consider which is specifically for the GS.

I rode 14,000km on the PR3’s on my RT and when they came out in 2011 they were a revelation in tyre grip technology. I sold the RT with those same tyres fitted as there was unbelievably still wear left. I never got more than 9,000km on any other tyre on the RT.

I also put a set on my F800R and they were also brilliant on that bike, I even did a track day on them and loved it. When I soled the F800R I had 10,000km of aggressive riding on the PR3’s and there was tons of wear still left on them. I do a lot of riding on wet roads and found the PR3’s stunning in the wet compared to anything else. It’s not just me who loves them, check out any other review website and you will find they get global 5 star results.

For 100% road touring the PR3’s would be at the very top of the list for my tyre of choice. But the Anakee 3’s are perfectly fine on the 800GS/A as it’s not nearly as fast or powerful as the 1200GS anyway. And if it’s wet I simply slow down and take it easy.

The Pilot Road 4′s are now out making the PR3′s cheaper and even more attractive. The PR4′s are supposed to have an even longer life, but I’ve yet to try them for myself.

You can read my own review of the PR3′s here: http://www.roadtrooper.com/michelin-pilot-road-3-10000km-review-update/

I’ll be missing the TT again this year as I’ll be back exploring the back roads of the Pyrenees and Spanish Sierras in preparation for offering guided tours from 2015. I’ll also be missing the Ulster GP as I won’t get back to Ireland until the 1st week in September where I’ll be riding from Donegal along Irelands 2,500km Wild Atlantic Way coastal route. From there it’s along the west coast of France to the Spanish Picos, hopefully taking in some off-road trails on the Santiago de Compostella route and eventually ending up back in Alicante again. It should a magic trip taking in some wildly differing roads, hence my own predicament in choosing the right tyre..

Denis..

As for your predicament it’s a really tough call for me to advise as there are so many variables with so little information to go on. Also I’ve never used the K60’s so it would be unfair for me to comment on them specifically.

But from what you said I get the impression you are like me whose priority is surfaced roads with light off road tracks whenever possible. From my point of view the 1200GS is a brilliant road bike that’s fully capable of dirt/gravely tracks even with a novice on board and still be enjoyable. My F800GS & 800GSA are slightly less good on the road but slightly better than the 1200GS off road which suits my riding.

But lets be honest, to ride really rough muddy or sandy proper off road tracks neither bike is built for that task, they are too big and too heavy to really enjoy a proper off road experience. When getting off the tar I am far more comfortable on 125′s or a 250cc dirt bike on 100% off road tyres and most professional off-road bikers rarely ride anything bigger than a 450cc anyway. This is why I’m currently looking for a good 2nd hand 250cc so I can play in rough stuff. It’s more common for bikers like us to have two very different bikes – the main bike for everyday use, touring and light dirt tracks, (a GS) and a cheap 2nd bike being 100% for playing on the rough stuff. From my point of view asking one bike to do everything is asking too much.

Of course the 800 & 1200GS can do serious off road tricks, we have all seen the YouTube vids of this. But there is a large element of bullshit to it, especially to the paid promotional vids. They don’t show the plenty of poor sods trying the same and dropping their bikes only to find the gear shift has punctured the engine or other stupidly simple to do but cripplingly expensive damage. And not to forget it’s easy to spot if a GS has been taken off road which buries the resale value and regularly make’s the BMW warranty worthless. Hence my argument for a 2nd bike that’s built for it and more financially replaceable.

Choosing a bike that suits you can be very personal and as much of a compromise as choosing a tyre but I think the 80/20 or 90/10 road biased tyres (Anakee, Scorpions) easily suit the likes of the big GS’s better for the greater majority of riders, myself included.

What ever way you look at it the big GS’s are primarily road bikes and putting a set of 50/50 or proper knobblies on them completely ruins the ride on surfaced roads. The handling will suck and enjoying fast twisty’s or mountain switchbacks will be impossible. Increased noise from such tyres will also ruin any longer trips and riding on wet roads may well be terrifying. While your GS may look very heroic wearing 50/50’s or full knobblies it will still be a big, heavy lump of metal in the sand or deep mud unless you have the skills to enter the Paris-Dakar. Doing an advanced off-road skills course would probably fix that though.

To me putting any brand of 50/50s on a GS is a dangerous compromise as they will suck both on tar and off giving you only a 50/50 experience in both environments. Your GS will still be floundering in the mud and it will be handicapped on the road and possibly dangerous in the wet.

But that’s not the worst of it, so many riders forget about this next point but it’s a big one. I don’t know about the US, but in Europe 9 times out of 10 putting a set of 50/50’s on any bike will invalidate your insurance even if the tyres are road legal! If those tyres are not officially tested and recommended by the manufacturer “for road use” for your model of bike (they almost never are) then in the event of a road crash your motorcycle insurance company will have a good laugh and quickly shut the door in your face. You will not be insured unless you get your insurance company to say “in writing” that they will insure you on tyres not officially recommended by the manufacturer! Incorrect tyres are one of the many excuses insurance companies use to get out of paying a claim. It can be difficult to get an insurance company to insure you on 50/50’s as the risk of an accident is obviously higher, but you can expect your premium to go up if you do. Don’t let the fact that those 50/50 tyres are road legal fool you – read the small print!!!! Non manufacturer recommended tyres come under the insurance section “modifications”, if you don’t at the very least tell your insurance company about them you are most likely in breach of contract.

To me the Anakee 3 is a great road tyre, not nearly as good as the Pilot Road 3, but good enough. They are also very good in the wet and are happy in dry dirt and gravel. The Anakee 3 is also a great touring tyre as they are quiet, dive easily into corners without drift and have an excellent lifespan. They are also tested on GS’s and officially recommended by BMW. I may be wrong, but I don’t think the K60’s are so if you choose them make damn sure your insurance company is happy – and get it in writing!!!!!!

One last point, for me at least, I ride better and enjoy myself more when I’m confident of my tyres. I know and love the Anakee’s as I know their limitations and exactly how far I can expect to push them. Put me on a set of 50/50’s and I won’t be nearly as happy or confident. Like me you may not feel as confident on the K60’s, especially on a wet road.

This is just my opinion based on my experience. But the way I see it you have 3 choices…

1. Keep using the Anakee’s or similar and make the best use of the GS while investing in a cheap dirt bike for the rough stuff. Riding a light 250 with proper knobblies in the muck is far more
fun than a 250kg brute and you won’t be worried about damaging an expensive GS.
2. Get yourself 2 sets of tyres, 1 for the road, 1 for the dirt and swap over as needed.
3. Keep using the Anakee’s or similar, accept their limations and stay away from swamps sand dunes

Hope this helps,

Denis

Thanks for the feedback. I’m really surprised to hear you are getting so much noise from the tires as I found them slightly less noisy then the tourance set I had previously. I can only imagine the cause possibly being from the extra weight, I’m on a F800GS, almost always solo and I do try to travel as light as possible so just maybe that makes a difference? Or maybe the different tyre widths is the cause?

On the continent if you buy the 800GSA or the new 1200GS “not sure about the 1200GSA” you have the option of the Anakee 3′s to come with the bike so “I’m assuming” they have been tested by BMW on their bikes. To be honest I’d be worried that you might be a problem with a defective tyre, worrying in it’s self, or something else as the level of noise you’re describing sounds really bad and would certainly affect anyone’s enjoyment. I will definetly be fitting another set when mine are done as I love them, but like I said, I really think they suit the F800GS but I can not comment on how they feel, or sound on a different bike model.

I’ll ask around to see if anyone else is having this problem and I’ll post an update if there is an issue. If anyone else reading this has found the same problem with excessive noise please dont be shy, let us all know as these tyres are not the cheapest.

Hope you had a good trip otherwise, Spain is a great destination, Pyrenees, Picos, Sierra Nevada and sangria, you just cant go wrong, as long as ye stear clear of the Guardia Civil pirates

Cheers
Denis

Looking at doing Austria/Italy nx year, roll on sunshine.

Regards
Peter

Sounds like you had a great trip yourself and I may well have passed you on the road. I was in Ainsa myself in May/June with a great bunch of lads on tour from Israel of all places.. I started of on the French side but the weather was so awful I had to pull out. I was meant to base myself for a couple of days in a little village I know on the French side near Bielsa but it was impossible to get too due to flooding. Between the melting snow and heavy rain the flooding was so bad the a few unfortunate soles in the village died when there houses were washed away.

Either way I had to get the lads over to the Spanish side for the rest of the trip as the French side was not just miserable but dangerous. We stayed around Ainsa and Broto, absolutely marvellous roads through incredible gorges and mountain passes throughout the whole area. I’ve actually come to love the Pyrenees more than the Alps in many ways.

The striking difference in the weather between the French and Spanish sides is a very common occurrence and a good thing to remember for anyone riding the Pyrenees, if the weather on the French side sucks just head over to the sunny Spanish side to dry out. The Spanish side is also a hell of a lot cheaper for hotels, booze, food and petrol with the only down sides being that Spanish campsites can be inexplicably expensive and of course my friends, the Guardia Civil.

I hope my article on the Anakee 3’s was not too critical on the Tourance’s, they’ve soled countless sets and many people swear by them. But I still maintain my opinion that the Anakee 3’s are the better road tyre and certainly more fun in the twisty’s. I’ve easily clocked up 14,000km now on just about all terrains and they are only now starting to show a little squaring off. There’s plenty of wear left in them too, I should get the winter and possibly one tour in the spring out of them.

Of course everyone’s riding style is slightly different, different road types, temperatures and most certainly the weight/model/HP of the the bike wearing the tyre also can make a big difference. So it may not always be a clear cut or easy decision as to what tyre to fit. I agonised over my choice for the F800GS for this years tours. I ended up choosing the Anakee 3’s on the back of the brilliant Pilot Road 3’s which suggested to me that Michelin are currently on top of their game.

But, at the end of the day confidence is key to an enjoyable ride and if any rider is confident and has intimate experience with their tyre of choice then the correct tyre choice for them is usually to stick to what they know. Swapping tyre type, even for an arguably better tyre can throw confidence for many making the “stick to what you know” unarguably the better choice.

I however had a problem with the Tourances right from the beginning and this was down to me constantly changing bikes from the 1150RT and F800R, both with the PR3’s fitted to the F800GS and Triumph Tiger 800 which both had Tourances. That experience showed me the handling characteristics and handling differences between a proper, full-on road tyre (PR3) and a dual purpose tyre (Tourance). And, like I said, for me the Anakee 3 handles like a proper road tyre and it does have the ability for some “light” off road work which is exactly what I wanted. A bonus to that is that I feel slightly more confident on the Anakee 3′s, most noticeably when belting through a set of twisty’s as they don’t feel like a cross breed tyre. I honestly could not tell the difference between the Anakee 3 and a 100% road biased tyre.

In saying all that, it can’t be said that there is a massive difference across the board between the Anakee and the Tourance, but on surfaced roads I’ve no doubt the Anakee 3 has a slightly upper hand.

Stay in touch Tom, maybe I’ll bump into you next year, I’ll be back in the Pyrenees for sure in 2014, I also have my eye on the Picos de Europa, Galicia and Asturias some time in early June.

All the best,
Denis

Would love to hear what you think of them once you have clocked up a few miles. I’ve now got 14,000km + on mine and still love them. They also have plenty of wear left which makes my pocket happy too

Denis

Great write up on the Ankees
I have always used Tourance on my WeeStrom & find them very good all round tyre. They give exceptional mileage for me & are very hard wearing.
I was down in South of France last week in May & could not believe how wet & cold it was. I went through the Bielsa tunnel into Spain on 1st June & could not believe the difference in weather. I parked up in Ainsa for a week & toured all the passes back & forth France/Spain for the week. I stayed in the Dos Rios hotel & couldnt fault it. Very friendly staff & great lockup garage very secure.
You must have been around down there at the same time, too bad we didnt meet up. Maybe next time.

Regards

Tom